Familect phrases

Jul. 25th, 2025 11:04 am
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I love hearing about the phrases people have incorporated into their family dialect (familect) that require explanation.

Here are some examples from around my house:

A "fuzzy" is a polar fleece jacket. (source: unknown)

Cat food comes in two varieties: gooshy (wet) and crunchy (dry). (source: Two Lumps webcomic)

"Bloop bloop?" means "Would you care to engage in sexual intercourse with me?" (source: a Tumblr post from someone who heard elk mating calls, parsed them as 'bloop bloop,' and started using the noise with their partner for the purpose, which cracked us up)

"One day... when you least expect it..." means, "I am contemplating taking you to bed." We almost never say the "I WILL HAVE SEX WITH YOU!" bit. (source: the second linked George Takei PSA)

The cat, as is the way of cats, has a zillion nicknames, including "Bunny," "[The] Fur," "Miss Fuzzbutt," and "Catface." T. S. Eliot violently underestimated the number of names my cats tend to accumulate, and none of the options are effin' ineffable. (reference: not how he officially spelled it but what we all heard)

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Jul. 24th, 2025 08:34 pm
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Other Fandoms: White Collar, Criminal Minds and NCIS.
OTPs and Ships: Way to many but to start: Kirk/Spock, Kirk/McCoy, Kirk/Uhura, Spock/Uhura, Number One/Pike, Picard/Q, Picard/Riker, Bashir/Garak, Janeway/Chakotay, Janeway/Paris, Paris/Torres, Chakotay/Paris, Paris/Kim, Archer/Tucker, Archer/T'Pol/Tucker, Archer/T'Pol, Archer/Shran, Trip/Reed, Ten/Donna, Ten/Rose, Amidala/Kenobi, Amidala/Skywalker, Kenobi/Skywalker, Kenobi/Sabé, Organa/Solo, Kent/Luthor, Kent/Lang, Queen/Kent, Barry/Queen, Barry/Snow, Snart/Barry, Barry/Oliver/Kara, Ramon/Lisa Snart, Eddie Thawne/Barry, Barry/Spivot, Queen/Merlyn, Harper/Thea Queen, Barry/Kara Danvers, Bonnie/Damon, Elena/Stefan, Elena/Damon, Klaus /Caroline, Elena /Elijah, Magnus/Alec, Simon/Raphael. SO many more.

Favorite Movies: Star Trek, Star Wars, Harry Potter, The Lord of The Rings/Superman, Batman, Deadpool, X-Men, Iron Man, Indiana Jones, Back to The Future, Fast and The Furious, Jurassic Park/World, Ghosbusters,
TV Shows: Star Trek, 9-1-1, 9-1-1 Lone Star, Shadowhunters, Teen Wolf, The Vampire Diaries, The Originals, Psych, Teen Wolf, Pokémon, Doctor Who, Arrow, The Flash, Superman & Lois, Angel, Buffy, Torchwood.
Books: Harry Potter, House of Night, The Vampire Diaries, Percy Jackson, The Mortal Instruments.
Music: Country, oldies, opera (some). Luke Bryan, Jelly Roll, Alan Jackson, George Straight, Garth Brooks, LeeAnn Rhimes, Shania Twain, Backstreet Boys, NSync, Linkin Park, Pentatoix, Evanescence, Josh Groban, Ed Sherran, P!nk, Eminem.
Games:
Comics/Anime/Misc: Pokemon, Digimon and Card Captor Sakura.

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Jul. 24th, 2025 08:23 pm
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Name: Amber

Age:

40's.

I mostly post about:

My Star Trek fanclubs and Ghostbusters fanclub, photos, paintings, drawings, fanfic, shows, binges, cosplay, real life, health issues, Fall, Halloween.

My hobbies are:

My Star Trek club, photography, drawing, painting rocks/hiding them, theme parks, cosplay, disneybounding, binging shows/movies.

My fandoms are:

Way to many to list but here goes: 9-1-1, 9-1-1 Lone Star, Star Trek, Star Wars, Shadowhunters, Supernatural (not much anymore), Harry Potter, The Lord of The Rings/The Hobbit, Jurassic Park/World (except new one), Psych, Doctor Who, Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, Back to The Future, Scream, IT (old one), A Nightmare on Elm Street, Halloween, Horror, Disney, Marvel, PokemonGo (Is that considered fandom? lol).

I'm looking to meet people who:

Same interests as me.

My posting schedule tends to be: daily/weekly/monthly/sporadic/etc

Whenever I have something to post or say.

When I add people, my dealbreakers are:

politics (especially if that's all you post about I will not comment on them), homophobes, transphobes, church/God haters, Trump supporters, inactive accounts, bigotry, racists.

Before adding me, you should know: I'm a open heart patient with 8 surgeries and a pacemaker surgery to my name. So my posts are often about my health problems. I'm an introvert except around my club members and even then sometimes still. I'll delete if someone never comments on something or I don't feel we connected, nothing personal.

Fanfiction author/Gamer OTP

Jul. 24th, 2025 05:51 pm
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"Honey, why does the person you're playing a game with and watching a stream of look like that?"

"He's wearing a Mickey Mouse skin."

"I didn't know you could skin Mickey Mouse in your game."

"Yep."

"And you're the one with the socially acceptable hobby."
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If Jeangu Macrooy gets two new fans today, one of them is me. If they get 1000 new fans today, I hope some are them are because [personal profile] buggery linked me to this video and I passed it on.

It's an earworm.
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Last night, bluesky exploded with the discovery that itch.io has delisted/shadowbanned pretty much all its "adult" games - they don't show up in a search anymore, even if you have the 'show me adult content' turned on, even if you are the game's creator.

They are still listed on the creator's pages; they are still in the bundles they've been in, and the "search title/author/tag" on the bundle pages still works.

Some games have been removed entirely - with a claim that they violate the TOS and therefore the creators can't receive payment, so itch will be just keeping their money thankyouverymuch.

After a mad scramble to figure out "what's going on and why," Itch mentioned payment processor issues on its Discord (which is going wild with drama; it does NOT have enough moderators for this), and eventually released a statement:
We have “deindexed” all adult NSFW content from our browse and search pages. We understand this action is sudden and disruptive, and we are truly sorry for the frustration and confusion caused by this change.

Recently, we came under scrutiny from our payment processors regarding the nature of some content hosted on itch.io. Due to a game titled No Mercy, which was temporarily available on itch.io before being banned back in April, the organization Collective Shout launched a campaign against Steam and itch.io, directing concerns to our payment processors about the nature of certain content found on both platforms.
Itch instantly caved to their "Warriors for Innocence."

Specific game info )
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Today was my first day back at work after my vacation and I did not sleep at all well last night, despite, you know, working from home and didn't have to get up early or anything. I was tossing and turning until sometime after 4 am, at which point I finally fell asleep.

Work was fine - busy, and kind of a lot, but not difficult despite the lack of sleep - but then I sat down on the couch after dinner to watch the Mets and fell asleep for about 40 minutes. *hands*

I'm really glad I took yesterday off too. I 100% recommend adding an extra day onto your vacation if you can - especially if it's a Monday, and doubly so if you actually went away. It makes it easier to get back into the grind, at least for me. I had 333 emails to sort through this morning, and there is way too much going on, as usual, but I timed it so that all of my regular meetings happened while I was out, so this week should be fairly quiet.

On the home front, I've had my new dishwasher for a week now and it is working really well, though I am still learning how to load it. The tines are much closer together and shorter than in my old one, which makes it difficult to get stuff in between them. But it's so quiet! And it doesn't leak! *knock wood* It does take 2.5 hours to run the full normal cycle, but I can live with that.

On the TV front, I finished Murderbot and enjoyed it - Mensah is still my favorite and I wish Bharadwaj had had more to do because I liked her as well.

I also finished the last 2 available episodes of My Life Is Murder because I read they are doing a new season, though who knows when it will be available here. I enjoyed the s4 2-part finale, and I do kind of low-key ship Alexa and Madison, though I also like that they have not had any real romantic interests for Alexa, and those 2 episodes really focused on her lingering grief for her husband.

In other news, Baby Miss L went to Sesame Place this past weekend and the videos of her vibrating with joy over meeting Elmo and Grover and Cookie Monster are amazing!

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The sidekick with no fear (100 words) by Petra
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: DCU (Comics), Welcome to Night Vale
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Clark Kent & James "Jimmy" Olsen
Characters: James "Jimmy" Olsen, Clark Kent
Additional Tags: Drabble, Crack
Summary:

Jimmy's not from around here either.

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Inspired by this Tumblr post.

Hello!

Jul. 20th, 2025 05:03 pm
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Main Fandoms: Disney Ducks (particularly the wider Uncle $crooge comicsverse) is a big one, as is Fraggle Rock. Pokemon and Digimon are also huge ones cohabitating in my brain. Oh! And also Megaman, especially the EXE series. These are all pretty equally big fandoms in my book. And Red Dead Redemption 2 and RDO; looking to play RDR1 someday, but that's a little out of my reach right now.

Other Fandoms: Dimension 20, Skyrim, Dungeon Meshi, Fullmetal Alchemist, Animal Crossing, Dreamlight Valley, Undertale and Deltarune, Final Fantasy series, Kingdom Hearts, In Stars and Time, Stardew Valley, The Sims, Sherlock Holmes, assorted other older anime, Dragonlance, DnD as a whole, assorted Disney franchises, assorted Dreamworks franchises, been really getting into CBS's Ghosts, really I've been in fandom spaces for a long time there's a LOT here, I KNOW I'm forgetting some...
What I Create for Fandom: Fanart, for the most part. The occasional fic, but mostly it's drawing.
Other Hobbies: Reading, photography, hiking, fishing, video games, painting

Sup, Homefryz!!!

Jul. 20th, 2025 01:02 pm
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Name: Bizette

Age: 20



I mostly post about: My characters, my art, my life, and just whatever interests me that day.



My hobbies are: Making art, HTML, anime and manga, video games, writing, listening to music, talking with friends, cycling, reading comics, daydreaming and baking.



My fandoms are: None tbh, but I guess I'm part of the glamfur and sparkledog scenes :P



I'm looking to meet people who: Chill folk who can handle my cheesiness, fellow glamfur/sparkledog or even animecore artists who like RPing, other lesbians and gays, and mature individuals who can engage in good faith.



My posting schedule tends to be: Daily and weekly for the most part due to not having a life, lol



When I add people, my dealbreakers are: Fandom/flavour-of-the-month/fanfiction posting, constant politics talk or arguing about politics, YouTube spam, homophobes and lesbophobes, bigots of all stripes, bad grammar and spelling, inactive accounts/blank journals, Twitter/TikTok types, white saviour types, religious weirdos, gooners/porn addicts, AI "art" bros, and wannabe edgy lords/mean girls (this ain't 4Chan, blud!).



Before adding me, you should know: I'm a black woman with ADHD and Dyslexia; so please be patient with me and try not to be randomly racist lmao. I do post vents, but only when I feel it's appropriate. I'm basically always free to chat; so feel free to message me :D, I do have an edgy sense of humour, but I'm smart enough to tone it down if needed, I'm based in the UK - so I might not see your message immediately if you're in a different timezone, and please avoid labelling me a furry :/

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1. Chaos. Last night, the building across the street caught on fire.

Again.

It's an abandoned/defunct factory; this is the... fifth? time it's caught on fire in the last couple of years. (The owner who acquired it after the previous owner died has been trying to sell it for far more than anyone wants to pay.)

2. Discord. This morning: Skipped my GURPS game (sigh) for round 3 of 4 of the Seattle Worldcon virtual business meeting. 3.75 hours of intense Roberts Rules neepery wrapped around 16 action items. 14 passed, 2 failed. I took notes on (1) everything that happened and (2) How To Bog Down A Worldcon Business Meeting, should I ever be so inclined.

There are a substantial number of people involved for whom Roberts Rules is apparently their main fandom. The Worldcon Business Meeting is their Pennsic. Some of them get annoyed at people who aren't interested in RRONR procedures as much as they want changes to Worldcon rules.

Also I have volunteered to be on two committees; we'll see if I get accepted to either.

3. Confusion. Family birthday party. Eldest daughter came over to cook tacos yay. Much bustling around a small kitchen with people no longer used to having three butts in a one-butt sized space.

Tacos were yummy. Cake and ice cream were yummy. French-press coffee was yummy; I wound up thinking "I should do that more often" and then remembered why I don't - because the cleanup is a hassle, and also, I prefer the coffee hotter than the press makes it. (5 minutes of sitting in a glass cylinder is cooler than I prefer.) But it's nice once in a while.

4. Bureaucracy. 2 hrs of OTW Board public meeting. (The meeting is 1 hr, but I'm involved as a volunteer, so had to be there in advance.) It ran short - instead of the normal "dozen questions emailed in advance + 10-20 questions asked in session," it was "5 questions sent in advance and only 4 more asked in session." All questions answered during the meeting; none left over to get posted on the website later.

5. Aftermath. Kid the Elder has gone home with doggo via Lyft; I am trying to catch up on the several chat channels with all sorts of stuff in them. Also now trying to figure out what writing deadlines I have pressing that have been shoved aside during prep for these two meetings.

Now what? )

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Jul. 19th, 2025 04:14 pm
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Name: Patch
Age: 34

I mostly post about:
Quiet living, books with margin notes, tea blends, visible mending, soft rituals, and the small things that anchor a day — light through curtains, a sentence that stays with you, a note Rae once wrote.

My hobbies are:
Reading (especially secondhand or annotated books), mending clothes by hand, brewing tea like it’s a spell, walking in the woods, archiving, journalling, and noticing the in-between moments.

My fandoms are:
Discworld (especially the witches), gentle fantasy, soft folklore, The Last Unicorn, Stardew Valley, and anything that feels like wool and wonder.

I'm looking to meet people who:
Love longform blogging, notice quiet details, have soft rituals of their own, and enjoy the kind of friendship that builds slowly and kindly over time.

My posting schedule tends to be:
Weekly-ish — sometimes more if I’m feeling thoughtful or tea-drowsy.

When I add people, my dealbreakers are:
Cruelty masked as “honesty,” bigotry, mockery, or a lack of care for the softer parts of others.

Before adding me, you should know:
I’m quiet and sentimental, I tag generously, and I write as if I’m tucking things away in a drawer. Rae (she/her) appears often in my posts — she’s someone I love, even if I rarely say it aloud. If you like slow friendships and soft mornings, I’d be glad to meet you.

all arms and legs

Jul. 18th, 2025 08:12 pm
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I mentioned I've been reading a bunch of DCU/PJO crossovers, and mostly I like it when nobody is related to the Waynes and no Waynes are secretly demigods and it's just Percy et al in Gotham and rolling with their weirdness (or vice versa, I guess, but I haven't seen any like that yet), though I have enjoyed those other types. For me, the big key to making the crossover work, aside from the fact that I want it to so I'm primed for it (i.e., buy the premise, buy the joke), is how Wonder Woman is handled (and to a much lesser extent, Wonder Girl), even more so than Aquaman and Atlantis.

Like, for me as a reader, you can't pretend that the Batfamily is totally ignorant of the Greek pantheon or demigods if you've got Diana around. And I realize that some folks are basing their Batfamily stuff on other people's fic (I'm not making that call - some of them state it outright in their notes), which may not contain any info on Wonder Woman or the Amazons etc. but Wonder Woman is not an obscure superhero! Even if you ignore the retcon that she's a daughter of Zeus (and you should! Even the comics have walked that back, though I can see why it might be interesting to work into this kind of crossover), she was made of clay and had life breathed into her by Greek goddesses.

I mean, it complicates things to some degree, because where was she during all of Percy's adventures, but 1. she was in space/another universe etc., or 2. she'd been stripped of her powers for trying to help, or 3. she was back on Themyscira, and unaware, or, or, or... And those are just off the top of my head. Mostly I've seen Percy and friends angry that she didn't participate and that's a fine way to go, but like, I feel like something has to be said, even if just in passing, unless it's set very very early in Batman's career and he hasn't met her/she isn't public yet. And the ones I've found so far are not set in that timeframe, because the fun of the crossover is having all the kids interacting with each other and with Bruce.

Anyway, I'm always interested in how other people make crossovers work, because for me, skipping over most of the nitty-gritty of trying to make incompatible worlds/magical systems etc. work together is the way to go - choose one or two details to set the vibe and handwave the inconsistencies.

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Stephen Colbert is the only thing I have watched on CBS for a very, very long time, and even him, via clips.

Except for the time we were in NYC and went to a taping, which was good fun.

Paramount: How dare this man we hired to speak truth to power speak our truth to our power!

Trump: BWAH HA HA HA

Fans who grew up on the Colbert Report and are growing inured to canceled shows: ...okay, so who's going to hire the most popular guy in late night TV now?

I find it upsetting that one of the loudest voices pointing out that the emperor has no clothes is losing his position, not because Colbert is flawless but because what the fuck, censoring satire much? Being able to laugh at the assholes in charge is a survival mechanism.

Self-soothing with John Finnemore.

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Jul. 18th, 2025 12:19 pm
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I like to post about: My life, mostly, fan stuff sometimes, health issues, etc. I have various filters.
About Me/Other Info: Older Southern female librarian stuck in the Midwest. I write, play video games. I'm disabled and queer. Ask?

I tagged big general things if that's okay.
 
 

I don't like the modern internet

Jul. 18th, 2025 11:08 am
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No shit, there I was, updating my LinkedIn profile -- you know, the one under my wallet name -- for the first time in (mumbledy), for professional reasons that do not involve looking for a job.

LinkedIn: You want to connect with [personal profile] marcelo and [personal profile] mary!

Me: ... I really, deeply wish you did not know that. Also, and this is important, neither of those people lives on my continent, and I have never so much as spoken on the phone with them. How do you know I know them, since I met them via writing porn about DC Comics characters 20 years ago? How can I make you un-know it? What arcane nonsense lurks in the data-mining?

Don't worry -- if I only know you through fandom, I ain't connecting via Linkedfreakin'In unless you give me the okay, because WHAT.

after the money's gone

Jul. 17th, 2025 08:45 pm
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I made this fancy lemonade with what I learned from [personal profile] minoanmiss's tags is called oleo saccharum, which is sugar syrup made with the oils in the citrus peels. I had 8 lemons, and some leftover frozen strawberries and blueberries, so I let the berries defrost in the fridge overnight and then this morning I did all the juicing and the dicing and then let it sit for several hours (5, I think?) before straining the syrup and adding the juice etc. It's very good, though I need to try it with lemons only, I think, and maybe less sugar. Because I do like my lemonade on the tarter side.

Anyway! I dug out my potato masher and my citrus reamer with carafe for this, so it was nice to be able to use them. I do kind of wish I had a food mill but I've never been able to justify the expense to myself - I used a large fine mesh strainer and it worked fine.

In other news, I watched the most recent season of GBBO and I LOVED EVERYONE IN THE TENT, but especially Dylan! Nelly! Gill! and Georgie! spoilers, I guess ) And Allison is so great. I hope she sticks with the show for a long time.

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Our FIRST ROUND starts on SUNDAY!!!

Jul. 17th, 2025 11:06 am
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About the comm.
 
 
It's one part dream.
One part disaster.
And absolutely 100% fandom.
It's Your OTPs/Fandoms combined with our chaos.

Challenge(s) 2025:

Challenge 1: Hodge Podge A new challenge idea I came up with all sorts of things to get players rolling out the fills and scoring points! SIGNS REMAIN OPEN THROUGHOUT THE ROUND

Sign up: July 3 Rd to July 19th @
8PM EST / 12AM GTM
Opening Date: July 20
Closing Date: October 12

I hope to have a variety of challenges in this comm, but they make take some time for me to figure out as I don't want to copy other comms out there. I have an idea or two for an abbreviated challenge after this one and I'll be working on getting it ready go if you guys want to play with me again after this round

It's been a week so I am advertising again
 
 

C.J. Cherryh bibliography

Jul. 16th, 2025 04:34 pm
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Sources: ISFDB, Wikipedia, my bookshelves

I collated this list for my Cherryh reread project. I didn't include magazine publications or omnibus editions, and only noted reprints where updated copyright dates or author's notes indicated substantial revision.

Italics = Probably not covering this in the reread.

Cut for length )